I'm a fan of this.
I would like the T2 resists.
I would like the current hull bonuses to stay as they are on TQ.
CCP can decide the specific amounts of % shield resist, % amror resists, and % hull resists for use of bastion mode.

It is a sort of compromise between the two options that are/were proposed changes.
A damage bonus of some kind in bastion mode would actually make me consider using it.

Without dps bonus, unnerf to base hulls, and something useful instead of tractor range, that whole marauders rebalance makes them worse than before...

So rebalance means Nerf?

I would say that iteration 1 is better for everything except incursions compared to what is currently live.

True. Before the release i thought it will be like this. (In my mind the Marauders had T2 resists even out of bastion)

Vargur LVL 4.

• Slowboat to gate
• on the way, kill all the crap which is in your range
• at the gate, switch on bastion and kill all the crap which is NOW in your range.

Golem Cruise

• Slowboat to gate
• Kill all the big stuff
• at the gate, switch on bastion and receive explo-velocity to kill all the small crap

But you can forget both. Torp-Golem sucks in missis and is beaten by raven and CNR.

After further testing the marauders, it seems to me, that the bastion thing work for two marauders ok, (Golem/Paladin) and for the others i have tested not so well. The Problem i see is that you can't give the same bonus for all weapon types on the marauders.

One benefits more, another not. You have to individually balance the bastion module for every ship. Or better tie not so much in this thing no one really wants.

Agreed.
However, it's not like we're losing anything here.
We're actually gaining more, seeing as how mobility never helped.

At least now we have tank to be able to accomplish something.

For me the new build is faster.
Like I stated, I'm able to free up a mid slot thanks to bastion.
Thus allowing me to fit a mwd without losing a large portion of tank through resists.

So for me it's faster.

Edit...
Oh and ewar immunity actually allows you to be able to fly against Guristas.

Also, I've always sit and shoot, so bastion doesn't hurt me at all in this reguard

A Paladin with Scorch

Joe, any idea how much torpedo range on the Golem is boosted to while in Bastion mode? Wondering how close to 60km a person could get running two T2 rigors.

I anchored in the middle of the fleet that was setting up the gate camp. :P and ya, active armor tank is tiny.

haven't gotten smash supplier yet, but pirate blockade and a couple of others (i'll be running more but time has been limited due to RL ) was stupid easy, boring and took 20 min for PB cause with full room agro from the start oops...

Pretty much had to use scorch(800dps ) as everything was orbiting at 50km+ cept frigs at 25 and they had to be droned down. The bastion module appears to have a ewar threat bonus so stuff pretty much ignores light drones when you are bastioned; which at least is nice given the usual eat drones AI now. It sucks getting ~100ish dps from drones instead of 300, 75mb bandwidth was fine on it before, and would be fine even with the new range. I'd bet the drone bandwidth nerf is an attempt to start addressing the sentry assist fleets in nullsec.

the funniest part of the l4 was 2 of the battleships refused to get closer then 105km to me, so i finished everything else and mjd while approaching one, the mjd ramed him and sent the nightmare flipping pointy bit over arse. So as a solo missioning ship the paladin is fine, like we all knew it would it be. i'll have to take a few into the combat system to get a feel for solo pvp in them that's less likely to have capital support. But even with seeing the reps, i'm not convinced that the 100% remote assistance lockout is needed, 75-50% reduction in Remote reps when bastioned i could definitely see, locking out tracking/sensor boosting okay that's reasonable.

Remove the lockout on cap transfer, if they can vamp other targets it would make sense that they could cap transfer.


and ya i don't do many fights with capitals. I figured i would get blapped, but not in the first 15 seconds of the fight :P

Fozzie what about those not balanced ranges on marauders?
We have a goal to make them ships that are using short range weapons on long ranges, imo cool but only Paladin work here perfectly, it's very good balanced so pulses and tachyons have their usage

I suggest changing bastion range bonus to: non stacking 20% optimal, 40% falloff

Thanks to that Vargur and Kronos will be closer to good balanced Paladin, because now they'r bad in that aspect (especially Vargur).

And we got Golem, as i suggested earlier change 10% velo bonus for cruise and torps for 20% velo bonus for torps only with non stacking 25% bastion velocity bonus.

Cruises don't need any buff on hull or bastion, they're veeeery good without them, but torps need badly at least that.
Another thing is changing TP bonus for exp radius bonus. - TP bonus is better then this
Firstly rest of marauders don't have ewar bonuses, secondly this will remove that baad TP juggling an micromanagement hell, and if anyone want they can still fit TP that won't stack its bonuses with that 25% exp radius reduction.

Ok, checking torp range on test.

So, if you wish, you can get 80km with one of each, or 74km with speed. Granted, this is on paper.

If you don't want that much range, you can fit 1 of either and get speed at 66km, or 2km more range...

66km is respectable, while 80km is freaking awesome for torps.... Hell, 74km with speed ain't no joke either.


Remember, this is range skills at 5 with no range implants

I've actually flown a torp golem in lvl 4's before.
Javs are almost required to properly hit frigs and cruisers with effective damage.

Also, a volley does so much damage that even against bss, rage torps have a ton of overkill.
At one point when I used to fly it, I actually considered no longer carrying rage torps, as the difference in kills was 1 volley or less.

Sure, 50% Bastion falloff is fine if we can get a +25% flight time as well for missiles.

give 15% optimal and 30% falloff is better than 25%/25% which makes paladin and kronos op and vargur garbage. golem doesnt need change imo.

The speed rigs eliminate DPS loss to bad volley counting. Cruise have an ~8.4s cycle, missiles are traveling at 17km/s, so you don't have to volley count out to ~100km.

Or without the speed rigs, you shouldn't have to volley count out to ~80km.